exteamly slow internet access not lan access spi rout

in reference to this thread: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing&tid=dc11075d-90fb-472c-855a-4190c229a1a8&lang=en&cr=US&p=1
I too am having extreamly bad internet performance. This has been common across many builds, such as beta one. Feb CTP and now Beta 2. First the background..
I run a pretty decent LAN at my house. I have a cable modem running 450/5mb roughly. I have that going into a Cisco 831 router, gigabit managed switch. I am runnin a win 2k3 server with AD. My network works well. I have 4-5 computers on the network (with random laptops), 2 networked ReplayTV, an Xbox and PS2.
On my living room machinge: AMD 2600+, 1gb ram, GeForce 5900
I am using this box as my Vista testing site. Vista is slow. It pretty much idles at 500+mb RAM utilization. But with Beta 2, things (aside from memory) things are running really decent. I can copy ISO files from my domain controller to the Vista client in 15 or so seconds.
My main concern is when I go to request a web server outside of my network, performance is terrible. Go to Nvidia.com to get the latest Vista graphics driver, and 1/3 of the page loads and then just keeps trying with no luck. Wait 30 mins, and come back, still waiting.
Gettin a critical update from windows update is at 19% after 3-4 hours (trying to pull down 2.7mb)
I read the threat that posted above, and it looks like the SPI part is the cuplrit. This sucks. Its not like Im running a low quality router, my Cisco 831 is a decent guy and Im running the advanced IOS on it that can do crazy things like HSRP.
Does anyone have any work arounds besides dumbing down the router? I cant imagine what will happen when IT companies around the world try to put Vista on their corporate lans to find out that web surfing is essentially disabled.
MS, any help on this? Its existed on at least the last two major public builds.
Jeff

I have a Linksys RV016. I had to shutdown the firewall functionality completely in order to overcome the problem. Shutting down SPI wasn't nearly enough.
"Sterck" wrote:

in reference to this thread: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing&tid=dc11075d-90fb-472c-855a-4190c229a1a8&lang=en&cr=US&p=1
I too am having extreamly bad internet performance. This has been common across many builds, such as beta one. Feb CTP and now Beta 2. First the background..
I run a pretty decent LAN at my house. I have a cable modem running 450/5mb roughly. I have that going into a Cisco 831 router, gigabit managed switch. I am runnin a win 2k3 server with AD. My network works well. I have 4-5 computers on the network (with random laptops), 2 networked ReplayTV, an Xbox and PS2.
On my living room machinge: AMD 2600+, 1gb ram, GeForce 5900
I am using this box as my Vista testing site. Vista is slow. It pretty much idles at 500+mb RAM utilization. But with Beta 2, things (aside from memory) things are running really decent. I can copy ISO files from my domain controller to the Vista client in 15 or so seconds.
My main concern is when I go to request a web server outside of my network, performance is terrible. Go to Nvidia.com to get the latest Vista graphics driver, and 1/3 of the page loads and then just keeps trying with no luck. Wait 30 mins, and come back, still waiting.
Gettin a critical update from windows update is at 19% after 3-4 hours (trying to pull down 2.7mb)
I read the threat that posted above, and it looks like the SPI part is the cuplrit. This sucks. Its not like Im running a low quality router, my Cisco 831 is a decent guy and Im running the advanced IOS on it that can do crazy things like HSRP.
Does anyone have any work arounds besides dumbing down the router? I cant imagine what will happen when IT companies around the world try to put Vista on their corporate lans to find out that web surfing is essentially disabled.
MS, any help on this? Its existed on at least the last two major public builds.
Jeff

VERY GOOD Info!!!
I have just started with Vista Beta 2 - this problem is alive and well and was killing me. Amazingly I had thrown every logical combination that in one way or another is discussed through out these postings...
1) Thought IE7 issue... lowered security, etc - not it. 2) User Account Protection - no avail. 3) Windows Firewall - disabled from the start - I use a SonicWALL with Enhanced OS so I always scratch the Windows Firewall. 3) Put in an another NIC - no change. 4) Upgraded my memory from 512 to 2GB - no help 5) Scratch and reload - hoping for a driver. 6) Started searching my SonicWALL logs to see if it would show me any reports of blocking or thinking Vista was some sort of "internal port scan"
All of this being done over the last 2 days before I found this post.... Putting alot more information then necessary here in hopes it will help others with key words, etc.
I am running an AMD 3000+, Soltek MB, NVIDIA Chipset, SonicWALL TZ170 with Enhanced OS. Base point here is that there is some sort of HUGE FLAW with Vista's TCP/IP stack for Internet Bound traffic, Windows update, Websites, etc - just like some have said - I let a 5.3MB update try to load for over 15 hours and it had only made it 19% of the way (I should note these types of speed from a person & same machine that can download 220MB files in 14 minutes from Microsoft). Websites for simple browsing were taking upwards of 30 minutes to load.
SOLUTION - Kill your Hardware Firewall, SonicWALL, DLINK, Cisco/Linksys, etc - you either have to be able to turn off SPI (By the way the newer generation of SonicWALL's go way beyond SPI doing a Deep Packet Inspection). Just for the record I could not find a real easy way to turn this off in my SonicWALL so my solution as I type this was to go get an old Linksys - put it in place and turn off the firewall on the BEFSX41.
Basically I have turned my computer into a sitting duck out on the internet... but at least now I have a starting place.
Tomorrow is the holiday, but on Tuesday I will be in a Vista class held by Microsoft in Central IL - I will talk to the folks there about it as well as get digging through our MSDN & Gold partnership channels. If I find anything about a "REAL SOLLUTION" I will pass the info along -
Thank you folks so much for posting the previous informaiton... I was about to loose my mind over this one.
"Doting Daddy" wrote:

I have a Linksys RV016. I had to shutdown the firewall functionality completely in order to overcome the problem. Shutting down SPI wasn't nearly enough.
"Sterck" wrote:
in reference to this thread: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing&tid=dc11075d-90fb-472c-855a-4190c229a1a8&lang=en&cr=US&p=1
I too am having extreamly bad internet performance. This has been common across many builds, such as beta one. Feb CTP and now Beta 2. First the background..
I run a pretty decent LAN at my house. I have a cable modem running 450/5mb roughly. I have that going into a Cisco 831 router, gigabit managed switch. I am runnin a win 2k3 server with AD. My network works well. I have 4-5 computers on the network (with random laptops), 2 networked ReplayTV, an Xbox and PS2.
On my living room machinge: AMD 2600+, 1gb ram, GeForce 5900
I am using this box as my Vista testing site. Vista is slow. It pretty much idles at 500+mb RAM utilization. But with Beta 2, things (aside from memory) things are running really decent. I can copy ISO files from my domain controller to the Vista client in 15 or so seconds.
My main concern is when I go to request a web server outside of my network, performance is terrible. Go to Nvidia.com to get the latest Vista graphics driver, and 1/3 of the page loads and then just keeps trying with no luck. Wait 30 mins, and come back, still waiting.
Gettin a critical update from windows update is at 19% after 3-4 hours (trying to pull down 2.7mb)
I read the threat that posted above, and it looks like the SPI part is the cuplrit. This sucks. Its not like Im running a low quality router, my Cisco 831 is a decent guy and Im running the advanced IOS on it that can do crazy things like HSRP.
Does anyone have any work arounds besides dumbing down the router? I cant imagine what will happen when IT companies around the world try to put Vista on their corporate lans to find out that web surfing is essentially disabled.
MS, any help on this? Its existed on at least the last two major public builds.
Jeff

Im anxious to hear if they mentioned this anywhere in your group? Is anyone else having issues like this? Its a pretty big hinderance.
Jeff
"wmcmillen" wrote:

VERY GOOD Info!!!
I have just started with Vista Beta 2 - this problem is alive and well and was killing me. Amazingly I had thrown every logical combination that in one way or another is discussed through out these postings...
1) Thought IE7 issue... lowered security, etc - not it. 2) User Account Protection - no avail. 3) Windows Firewall - disabled from the start - I use a SonicWALL with Enhanced OS so I always scratch the Windows Firewall. 3) Put in an another NIC - no change. 4) Upgraded my memory from 512 to 2GB - no help 5) Scratch and reload - hoping for a driver. 6) Started searching my SonicWALL logs to see if it would show me any reports of blocking or thinking Vista was some sort of "internal port scan"
All of this being done over the last 2 days before I found this post.... Putting alot more information then necessary here in hopes it will help others with key words, etc.
I am running an AMD 3000+, Soltek MB, NVIDIA Chipset, SonicWALL TZ170 with Enhanced OS. Base point here is that there is some sort of HUGE FLAW with Vista's TCP/IP stack for Internet Bound traffic, Windows update, Websites, etc - just like some have said - I let a 5.3MB update try to load for over 15 hours and it had only made it 19% of the way (I should note these types of speed from a person & same machine that can download 220MB files in 14 minutes from Microsoft). Websites for simple browsing were taking upwards of 30 minutes to load.
SOLUTION - Kill your Hardware Firewall, SonicWALL, DLINK, Cisco/Linksys, etc - you either have to be able to turn off SPI (By the way the newer generation of SonicWALL's go way beyond SPI doing a Deep Packet Inspection). Just for the record I could not find a real easy way to turn this off in my SonicWALL so my solution as I type this was to go get an old Linksys - put it in place and turn off the firewall on the BEFSX41.
Basically I have turned my computer into a sitting duck out on the internet... but at least now I have a starting place.
Tomorrow is the holiday, but on Tuesday I will be in a Vista class held by Microsoft in Central IL - I will talk to the folks there about it as well as get digging through our MSDN & Gold partnership channels. If I find anything about a "REAL SOLLUTION" I will pass the info along -
Thank you folks so much for posting the previous informaiton... I was about to loose my mind over this one.
"Doting Daddy" wrote:
I have a Linksys RV016. I had to shutdown the firewall functionality completely in order to overcome the problem. Shutting down SPI wasn't nearly enough.
"Sterck" wrote:
in reference to this thread: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing&tid=dc11075d-90fb-472c-855a-4190c229a1a8&lang=en&cr=US&p=1
I too am having extreamly bad internet performance. This has been common across many builds, such as beta one. Feb CTP and now Beta 2. First the background..
I run a pretty decent LAN at my house. I have a cable modem running 450/5mb roughly. I have that going into a Cisco 831 router, gigabit managed switch. I am runnin a win 2k3 server with AD. My network works well. I have 4-5 computers on the network (with random laptops), 2 networked ReplayTV, an Xbox and PS2.
On my living room machinge: AMD 2600+, 1gb ram, GeForce 5900
I am using this box as my Vista testing site. Vista is slow. It pretty much idles at 500+mb RAM utilization. But with Beta 2, things (aside from memory) things are running really decent. I can copy ISO files from my domain controller to the Vista client in 15 or so seconds.
My main concern is when I go to request a web server outside of my network, performance is terrible. Go to Nvidia.com to get the latest Vista graphics driver, and 1/3 of the page loads and then just keeps trying with no luck. Wait 30 mins, and come back, still waiting.
Gettin a critical update from windows update is at 19% after 3-4 hours (trying to pull down 2.7mb)
I read the threat that posted above, and it looks like the SPI part is the cuplrit. This sucks. Its not like Im running a low quality router, my Cisco 831 is a decent guy and Im running the advanced IOS on it that can do crazy things like HSRP.
Does anyone have any work arounds besides dumbing down the router? I cant imagine what will happen when IT companies around the world try to put Vista on their corporate lans to find out that web surfing is essentially disabled.
MS, any help on this? Its existed on at least the last two major public builds.
Jeff

I have the same problem with both the motherboards NVIDIA MCP 10/100 connector, and a NETGEAR GA311 10/100/1000 PCI card.
Only by opening the device manager and manually setting the network cards communication speed to 10meg Full Duplex can reasonably reliable internet access be obtained on my machine. Even then download speeds are very slow and erratic.
Beta 2 installs a generic Reltek RTL8169 Gigabit Ethernet adapter driver for my Netgear GA311, but all attempts to access the web come to a screeching halt after just a few seconds.
Disabling all the security options brings no improvement. Firefox has no better success than I.E.7 with communication speed set on default auto. On previous builds bypassing all the gigabit hardware and connecting the motherboard network connector directly to the router was an effective workaround, but even that doesn’t help on this build.
Vista Beta 2 Build 5384 Shuttle SN41G2 Shuttle FN41 Motherboard AMD XP 3000+ processor 2GB Corsair DDR3200 memory Netgear GA311 Network card Netgear GS605 Switch Netgear DG834G ADSL Router Radeon 9600 Graphics Mike
"Sterck" wrote:

in reference to this thread: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing&tid=dc11075d-90fb-472c-855a-4190c229a1a8&lang=en&cr=US&p=1
I too am having extreamly bad internet performance. This has been common across many builds, such as beta one. Feb CTP and now Beta 2. First the background..
I run a pretty decent LAN at my house. I have a cable modem running 450/5mb roughly. I have that going into a Cisco 831 router, gigabit managed switch. I am runnin a win 2k3 server with AD. My network works well. I have 4-5 computers on the network (with random laptops), 2 networked ReplayTV, an Xbox and PS2.
On my living room machinge: AMD 2600+, 1gb ram, GeForce 5900
I am using this box as my Vista testing site. Vista is slow. It pretty much idles at 500+mb RAM utilization. But with Beta 2, things (aside from memory) things are running really decent. I can copy ISO files from my domain controller to the Vista client in 15 or so seconds.
My main concern is when I go to request a web server outside of my network, performance is terrible. Go to Nvidia.com to get the latest Vista graphics driver, and 1/3 of the page loads and then just keeps trying with no luck. Wait 30 mins, and come back, still waiting.
Gettin a critical update from windows update is at 19% after 3-4 hours (trying to pull down 2.7mb)
I read the threat that posted above, and it looks like the SPI part is the cuplrit. This sucks. Its not like Im running a low quality router, my Cisco 831 is a decent guy and Im running the advanced IOS on it that can do crazy things like HSRP.
Does anyone have any work arounds besides dumbing down the router? I cant imagine what will happen when IT companies around the world try to put Vista on their corporate lans to find out that web surfing is essentially disabled.
MS, any help on this? Its existed on at least the last two major public builds.
Jeff

I have a linksys RV016 as well. I have to turn the firewall completely off in order to connect to most websites. I couldn't even activate vista. As soon as I turned it off. BOOM worked fine. Tried just turning SPI off. No dice. Next I'll try putting the Vista PC on the DMZ and see if that works.
"Sterck" wrote:

in reference to this thread: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing&tid=dc11075d-90fb-472c-855a-4190c229a1a8&lang=en&cr=US&p=1
I too am having extreamly bad internet performance. This has been common across many builds, such as beta one. Feb CTP and now Beta 2. First the background..
I run a pretty decent LAN at my house. I have a cable modem running 450/5mb roughly. I have that going into a Cisco 831 router, gigabit managed switch. I am runnin a win 2k3 server with AD. My network works well. I have 4-5 computers on the network (with random laptops), 2 networked ReplayTV, an Xbox and PS2.
On my living room machinge: AMD 2600+, 1gb ram, GeForce 5900
I am using this box as my Vista testing site. Vista is slow. It pretty much idles at 500+mb RAM utilization. But with Beta 2, things (aside from memory) things are running really decent. I can copy ISO files from my domain controller to the Vista client in 15 or so seconds.
My main concern is when I go to request a web server outside of my network, performance is terrible. Go to Nvidia.com to get the latest Vista graphics driver, and 1/3 of the page loads and then just keeps trying with no luck. Wait 30 mins, and come back, still waiting.
Gettin a critical update from windows update is at 19% after 3-4 hours (trying to pull down 2.7mb)
I read the threat that posted above, and it looks like the SPI part is the cuplrit. This sucks. Its not like Im running a low quality router, my Cisco 831 is a decent guy and Im running the advanced IOS on it that can do crazy things like HSRP.
Does anyone have any work arounds besides dumbing down the router? I cant imagine what will happen when IT companies around the world try to put Vista on their corporate lans to find out that web surfing is essentially disabled.
MS, any help on this? Its existed on at least the last two major public builds.
Jeff

In the same boat here. Linksys RV016 had to turn the firewall off completly in order to activate, update or browse most websites. Just turning SPI off did not work. Next I'll try the DMZ port. This is so basic I don't understand how Vista can be in Beta 2 with a bug like this.
"Sterck" wrote:

in reference to this thread: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing&tid=dc11075d-90fb-472c-855a-4190c229a1a8&lang=en&cr=US&p=1
I too am having extreamly bad internet performance. This has been common across many builds, such as beta one. Feb CTP and now Beta 2. First the background..
I run a pretty decent LAN at my house. I have a cable modem running 450/5mb roughly. I have that going into a Cisco 831 router, gigabit managed switch. I am runnin a win 2k3 server with AD. My network works well. I have 4-5 computers on the network (with random laptops), 2 networked ReplayTV, an Xbox and PS2.
On my living room machinge: AMD 2600+, 1gb ram, GeForce 5900
I am using this box as my Vista testing site. Vista is slow. It pretty much idles at 500+mb RAM utilization. But with Beta 2, things (aside from memory) things are running really decent. I can copy ISO files from my domain controller to the Vista client in 15 or so seconds.
My main concern is when I go to request a web server outside of my network, performance is terrible. Go to Nvidia.com to get the latest Vista graphics driver, and 1/3 of the page loads and then just keeps trying with no luck. Wait 30 mins, and come back, still waiting.
Gettin a critical update from windows update is at 19% after 3-4 hours (trying to pull down 2.7mb)
I read the threat that posted above, and it looks like the SPI part is the cuplrit. This sucks. Its not like Im running a low quality router, my Cisco 831 is a decent guy and Im running the advanced IOS on it that can do crazy things like HSRP.
Does anyone have any work arounds besides dumbing down the router? I cant imagine what will happen when IT companies around the world try to put Vista on their corporate lans to find out that web surfing is essentially disabled.
MS, any help on this? Its existed on at least the last two major public builds.
Jeff